what religion would my beliefs fall under?
i’ve been wondering for the past few days, what religion i would be if i were to choose an organized religion. please, no “why do you need a set religion?” or “your beliefs are wrong. try jesus.” 🙂
i believe in continuous reincarnation. no heaven no nirvana at any point, ever. continuous reincarnation for eternity.
i believe in karma.
i do NOT believe in a personified god. there is no magic man upstairs that set everything into action. if anything, what we call God is the Universe itself. humans are part of what we call god, the earth is, the animals are, the trees are, other planets are. i suppose you could call it Mother Earth but not to be mistaken, it doesn’t just include our dinky little planet. this is my strongest belief. i would never believe in gods/goddesses/a god/a goddess.
i believe evolution is the primary origin of most species, with a beginning i’m fuzzy about 🙂
everything else is mostly atheist beliefs. except i believe in ghosts. and tarot cards and divination are immensely interesting to me, but i don’t believe they have any supernatural significance.
thank you everyone 🙂 feel free to ask me anything. thanks again.
🙁 yahoo, you’ve upset me.
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You’re a Reincarnationist, a very spiritual person and waaaay ahead of your time.
What can keep one so attracted to the gloomy, the morbid, the mysterious, the mortal?
I am perfectly aware that this amount of text is overwhelming for the average Internet-surfer; feel free to skip as much as you like.
I assume that, possibly, this attraction of mine might be related to the fact that my childhood was, in most part, spent in social isolation from my peers—mostly due to lingual and cultural barriers, I suppose—after my parents migrated with me to a foreign country when I was 4-years-old. It’s not necessarily so, however. The Freudian Death Drive often comes to mind when I speculate on this question. The question cannot be analysed thoroughly by you without me providing you with further information of this attraction’s manifestation in my life. 😐
Since childhood I’ve been a rather bizarre chap. My earliest memory of such a fascination is from the time when I was 5-years-old. Then I sometimes enjoyed to imitate the Byronic hero, dressing in dark clothing and trying to seem extraordinarily and eccentrically indifferent to everything, and I even remember an attempt to build a coffin for myself, being inspired by Bram Stoker’s story of ‘Count Dracula’; nevertheless, of course that, at that time, no matter how strongly I tried to look emotionless, the childish character always overtook me, hehe. ^_^
By the age of 7, I became literally obsessed with the Christian concept of the devil and the eschatological symbolism of the Apocalypse of John. Later I also got into Norse mythology, religions of the African diaspora and the such, but at that time it was mostly about Christianity; which, unfortunately, didn’t mean to me anything but carving reversed pentagrams and pentacles on wood, signing them with the ‘Number of the Beast’. I remember how my eyes glowed with delight when, still aged 7, in my parent’s bedroom I discovered a tarot card depicting the Devil. I was taken several times to psychologists by my parents because my parents were concerned about the recurring motive of bloodshed and torture in my drawings (although I was excellent at drawing, let me boast). ;-P
With the arrival of puberty I began searching myself in the world, experimenting with such things as sex and drugs. It was not until the age of 12 that I awoke with the realisation of the futility of all human endeavour. It triggered that which I would define as an existential crisis, manifesting brightly for a period of about a year or so (including suicidal thoughts, mind you). At that time I took an atheistic, anti-Christian position, also adopting an Epicurean or LaVeyan kind of hedonism. A year later, though, I tried living my life for some time as a religious theist after being initiated into my father’s Hassidic Judaism. “Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.” (Ecclesiastes 1:2) :-\
If you’re wondering where I am now, I’m 16-years-old and currently residing in Ukraine with my grandmother—fascinated with various philosophies and religions such as Thelema, spiritually oriented as agnostic, nihilistic, hedonistic, pragmatic, mystic—consciously bisexual, not very social but not isolated either—an aesthetic appreciation of the introverted sides of life, albeit without rejection of the extroverted pleasures it offers—hoping to use appropriately the time left for me upon this earth. o_o
Curiously, this attraction—fascination, interest, drive, call it as you will—has undoubtedly influenced my personality in many aspects; for example, my tastes in clothing, music, literature and film. As a retrophile, I admire Gothic architecture for its beauty and grandiosity, for its sense of mystery and a vibe of aristocratic arrogance. My favourite deity is, perhaps, Loki or Dhumavati or Maržanna, the last being the goddess of death in my native pantheon, although I do have ‘brighter’ deities in my favourites. I like pale skin and, on some people, even dark circles underneath their eyes. Obviously, my favourite bird is the raven (yeah, like in that Allan Poe poem), and I’m considering to adopt a black cat, naming it ‘Lucifer’ (humorously, I got the idea from the 1950 Cinderella film). I don’t like exposure to sunshine, so summer is definitely not my favourite season; that title is taken by autumn. Aye, how glorious is she, the fair maiden Autumn, the season of Nature’s moribund! =D
What doth it mean?
@Dani, that’s why I left a message at the head of the thread, saying,
“I am perfectly aware that this amount of text is overwhelming for the average Internet-surfer; feel free to skip as much as you like”,
which means you can skip it altogether if you don’t feel like reading it—but you didn’t read even that? Oh, come on, people, have you ever heard about literacy? It has been around for millenia.
@ye bo, okay… what the hell does your answer have to do with the question?
@Abomination of Desolation,
Hm, I should have used a dash there instead of a comma in order to avoid confusion like I had intended to. No, I didn’t use all those ‘tic-suffixed’ adjectives to describe Thelema; I used them to describe my own worldview and spiritual perception.
Is Thelema nihilistic? Ill, for Thelema’s Evangelium is way too optimistic, extroverted and outgoing to be associated with this word. This is not to say that Crowley didn’t have nihilistic ideas of his own, first arising during his years in Cambridge and later appearing in some of his writings.
Is Thelema hedonistic? Probably so. “When you drink and dance and take delight, you are not being ‘immoral’, you are not ‘risking your immortal soul’; you are fulfilling the precepts of our holy religion—provided only that you remember to regard your actions in this light.” (Liber DCCCXXXVII: ‘The Law of Liberty’)
Is Thelema agnostic? Well, it’s hard to tell because Thelema doesn’t impose a particular belief system
@Abomination of Desolation,
Is Thelema agnostic? Well, it’s hard to tell because Thelema doesn’t impose a particular belief system regarding Divinity.
Thelema does have its Pantheon, but I haven’t met much Thelemites who view the Deities thereof as more than archetypes or
symbolic characters to be revered. Crowley writes that the personifications in question are there merely ‘for literary
convenience’ (source: part II of the introduction to Liber AL vel Legis). Let it be brought to attention that the Prophet
self-identified as agnostic during the time of the reception of the Book (source: ‘The Equinox of the Gods’), which is a view
that he apparently retained later in his life (source: ‘Magick without Tears’, chapter XXX).
I do wish to debate this further with you. If you are reading this and are sharing the same wish as I, feel welcomed to
contact me by email: firstname.lastname@example.org
The above-shown irregular braking of paragraphs happened accidentally; ignore the queer gait.
“[… U]nderstanding yourself can give a start to stop associating yourself with them [the unconscious roles of ego].”
That sentence of yours caught my attention. The dangers of associating oneself with the unconscious—I was taking some personal notes about it just before posting my question on the website. I was lead to it by Carl Jung’s rebuke of this desire of mysticism present in many cultures, the desire to unite with God, which is a desire of identification with the unconscious, according to his notion. I suspect this desire is a disguised or subliminal longing for death; thereby, a morbid and unhealthy desire.
In ‘The Psychology of Kundalini Yoga’ he writes: “That is one of the great difficulties in experiencing the unconscious—that one identifies with it and becomes a fool. You must not identify with the unconscious; you must keep outside, detached, and observe objectively what happens.”
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soz but thats alot to read
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As I see it you’ve created that world of your own, dark and grave, having an eminent intellectual potential you use it that way. In a way, you had no other choice – feeling yourself separated ( isolated fragment of the Universe – that’s how I feel it from your story) you were impacted by your unconscious fears – every ego is full of them, fears provoked thoughts, you were trapped in them, generating new fantasies and attracted by the certain things, also black or ominous… your brilliant mind did the job. Actually what you have described are the roles of ego, and as long as they are unconscious, you can’t stop playing them. I think it’s a great thing that you are asking this question now, understanding yourself can give a start to stop associating yourself with them, thus you’ll be able to make a shift from conditioning into awareness. Does it make sense for you?
I can give you a link to listen to an interview on the state of no mind and different frequencies and levels, and if it resonates with you, I am sure you’ll easily find more opportunities for yourself for such a shift into the space of consciousness, which is absolutely opposite to the mind and its games.
Hope you find the truth and love 🙂
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I don’t care about most of that [Indeed you would not like the word I’d use to describe what you described], except this: “Thelema, spiritually oriented as agnostic, nihilistic, hedonistic, pragmatic, mystic”
Thelema is not Nihilistic, nor is it hedonistic [In the traditional sense]. It’s also not “Agnostic,” as it follows in the Gnostic traditions with the standard ‘Occult’ [As in, the philosophy developed in the Renaissance Occult circles]definition of “Divinity.”
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